Tuesday, April 07th, 2009 | Author:

When I first became a Christian fifteen years ago, I had little knowledge of the Bible and no discernment at all. If someone mentioned God, then I believed what they said, because I wanted to know all there was to know about God.

This openness led me to follow a church that was sailing into non-Christian waters. There was no kool-aid to poison my body, but there were plenty of lies and half-truths to poison my mind. God, in His mercy, troubled my heart about these lies, but I honestly didn’t understand what the problem was or what to do about it.

Then one day, I was browsing at the local Christian bookstore and came across a book about spiritual abuse. It showed me, chapter by chapter, just what was happening at my church. It gave me the understanding that not all who claim to be Christian actually follow Christ. Eventually, it gave me the impetus to leave that church, unlearn the lies, and start again.

I have continued to read about the various forms of apostasy overtaking our churches. Because of that, more recently I was able to warn a fairly naive church about an unbiblical teaching that was entering their church. No one has thanked me as yet, but I’ve learned that the watchmen’s job doesn’t often come with positive feedback. I get my feedback from the only One who matters.

And I thank Him with a grateful heart for those who are called to stand watch over our churches today, sounding the alarm and exposing the lies.

So I was quite angered when I read a recent post by Tim Challies in which he condemned discernment ministry sites, and claimed that they are “just a spiritualized form of YouTube or any other site that entertains by sharing what is gross and base and negative and that does so for the sake of entertainment.”

Some other statements from his post:

  • there is really no value in watching the worst pastors in America preach to the worst churches in America.
  • Do I really need to read and to know about the seedy underbelly of the church?
  • But if a pastor of a church in Kalamazoo preaches a sermon in which he says something scandalous, it has no effect on my life and, beyond its draw as entertainment, I can think of few good reasons for me to even know about it.

Well, maybe I can open his eyes to a few good reasons:

  1. Some new Christian like I was could read a post or watch a video and realize that they need to get out of a church that’s traveling a non-biblical road.
  2. Some more mature Christian, like I am now, could instantly recognize secular humanism being preached as gospel truth, and sound an alarm.
  3. Above and beyond these practical effects, it obviously never occurred to Challies to pray for the people involved in apostasy.
  4. Mr. Challies could use some discernment himself (and maybe some compassion?) if he thinks that apostasizing churches have no effect on his life. The entire American church has been infiltrated by satan and his minions, and that doesn’t make him cry out to God? That doesn’t make him weep for his brothers and sisters in Christ who are being deceived?

If not, if he feels it’s better to focus only on good and happy things, then I offer this scripture as a warning to him:

For from the least of them even to the greatest of them, Everyone is greedy for gain, And from the prophet even to the priest Everyone deals falsely. They have healed the brokenness of My people superficially, Saying, ‘Peace, peace,’ But there is no peace. (Jeremiah 6:13-14)

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Hat tip and a grateful “thank you” to Slice of Laodicea and Herescope and all the other watchmen on the wall, who keep us aware of the “false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.” [Matthew 7:15]

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3 Responses
  1. rabanes says:


    YOu are assuming that the information you are getting from these people is true.

    What if they are lying to you? What if they are using false information, out-of-context quotes, misleading arguments, and half-truths to manipulate you into thinking that what they are saying is reliable.

    The truth is that much of what they are saying are lies. I;m sorry to tell you that.

    Please see my newest article on Tim Challies, who spoke much truth in that article.


    R. Abanes

  2. akaGaGa says:

    Hi R. Abanes, thanks for commenting.

    I believe, however, that the only thing I assumed is that the post by Tim Challies was actually by Tim Challies.

    I quoted no one else, except Jeremiah.

  3. richardabanes says:

    Actually, you mentioned Ingrid Schlueter: “Hat tip and a grateful “thank you” to Slice of Laodicea and Herescope and all the other watchmen on the wall, who keep us aware of the “false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.” [Matthew 7:15]“

    Now, as for Ms. S., allow me to show you something.

    Just today she falsely accused Rick Warren of saying, “I’m Not Anti-Gay Marriage.” Schlueter said: “In Warren’s Own Words: “I’m Not Anti-Gay Marriage.” She then declared:

    “Here is Rick Warren in his own words. What Rick Warren thinks or doesn’t think about homosexual marriage doesn’t amount to a hill of beans. The real issue is whether God is anti-gay marriage, and those who read the Scriptures are well aware that God has spoken for all time in His Word on homosexuality.”

    The only problem is that Rick Warren is actually against Gay Marriage. And in the video she linked, he even states: “I actually believe that marriage. . . . That definition should be saved [for] between a man and a woman.”

    So, what in the name of all that is unholy is Schlueter referring to? Well, in the video, what Warren actually says is: “I am not an anti-gay, or anti-gay marriage ACTIVIST.”

    But to Schlueter’s twisted take on reality, she heard, “I’m Not Anti-Gay Marriage.” And then she spread that misinformation.

    It is this kind of ungodly attacks and false accusations that I am taking a stand against. Scripture tells us:

    “Whoever slanders his neighbor in secret, him will I put to silence …”
    Psalms 101:5

    “Remind the people to … slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility toward all men.”
    Titus 3: 1-2

    “Therefore rid yourselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy and slander of every kind.”
    1 Peter 2:1

    “Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice.”
    Ephesians 4:31

    peace in him,

    Richard Abanes