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My friend Herky has posted a video about a suggested prayer for the inauguration. Although he’s not saying what his prayer will be, I’m sure you won’t hear it from Rick Warren.
And Bishop Gene Robinson, the vocal gay activist from New Hampshire, has already told us about his prayer:
Robinson doesn’t yet know what he’ll say, but he knows he won’t use a Bible.
“While that is a holy and sacred text to me, it is not for many Americans,” Robinson said. “I will be careful not to be especially Christian in my prayer. This is a prayer for the whole nation.”
I would expect nothing different from Robinson, but every time I hear a “Christian” watering down a prayer so that it won’t offend any people, I wonder why they’re not more concerned about offending Jesus.
I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven.
But whoever denies Me before men,
I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.
So If you want to join me in being politically incorrect, go watch the video, and we can pray together.
Rick Warren’s viewpoint:
Instead of focusing on his opposition to gay marriage and Obama’s support for gay rights, the media should see the real story is “that a couple of different American leaders have chosen to model civility for the rest of he nation and that Barack Obama and Rick Warren have decided to try to create a new politic that says ‘we can disagree without being disagreeable; we can walk hand in hand without seeing eye to eye; we can have unity in our nation without uniformity; and we can have collaboration for the best of America.”
Warren said he and Obama hope that their cooperation will “bring America into a new day of civil discourse.” (from ChristianPost.com; emphasis added)
The Bible’s viewpoint:
Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? (2 Corinthians 6:14-15)
“Therefore, COME OUT FROM THEIR MIDST AND BE SEPARATE,” says the Lord. “AND DO NOT TOUCH WHAT IS UNCLEAN; And I will welcome you. ” And I will be a father to you, And you shall be sons and daughters to Me,” Says the Lord Almighty. (2 Corinthians 6:17-18)
Who are you going to follow?
You might remember that I found it quite ironic when Rick Warren recently presented President Bush, who has started two wars, with the first “International Medal of PEACE.”
Now another little twist is in the wind. Earlier today, I was getting caught up on the controversy surrounding Obama choosing Rick Warren to give the invocation at his inauguration. As Warren’s Saddleback Church has routinely condemned homosexuality, and Warren endorsed Prop. 8 in California, the gay community is up in arms, particularly one openly gay congressman:
“Mr. Warren compared same-sex couples to incest. I found that deeply offensive and unfair,” Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., said in a broadcast interview.
The next thing you know, I see a post at The Lighthouse saying that the anti-gay language had been taken off Saddleback’s website. Hmmm. I traced that story back to Americablog.com, and here’s what they say is now missing:
Then I read an article that Obama can clear himself with the LGBT community, if he endorses a petition that includes the following points:
– Issue an executive order in the first 100 days of his presidency that confirms the rights of federal workers based on “sexual orientation” and extends those rights to “gender identity;”
– Develop a plan in the first 100 days to initiate a process for repealing “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” in the military;
– Work with Congress to enact a hate-crimes law in the first six months;
– Endorse a version of the Employment Non-discrimination Act that includes protections for transgenders;
– Cooperate with Congress to halt “unequal tax treatment of domestic partnerships benefits.”
I think Ricky has some ‘splainin’ to do.
I’m not a fan of Rick Warren or his P.E.A.C.E. Plan, for a lot of reasons that I won’t go into now, but his latest just takes the cake. From the Saddleback website:
Pastor Rick Warren will present President George W. Bush with the first “International Medal of PEACE” from the Global PEACE Coalition in recognition of his contribution to the fight against HIV/AIDS and other diseases
Fighting AIDS is not a bad thing, of course, but it seems to me that if you’re going to give someone a PEACE award, that someone should promote … well, PEACE. Think Progress reports:
During the award ceremony, Warren ignored the obvious irony of presenting a man who started two wars with a peace award. Last night on Fox’s Hannity and Colmes, however, co-host Alan Colmes asked Warren to comment on that irony. Warren explained simply that Bush’s “peace award was not about peace”:
COLMES: But to give a peace award to a guy who started two wars…neither of which are completed yet. […]
WARREN: Well, the Peace Award was not about peace in domestic — or foreign policy.
Hmmm. I guess this is more newspeak. As one commenter wrote, then maybe we should give Jeffrey Dahmer a peace award for discouraging cannabilism.
The Washington Monthly also had a post about this interview:
WARREN ENDORSES HANNITY’S WARMONGERING…. Pastor Rick Warren has a reputation for being far more stable and grounded than religious right leaders and TV preachers like Pat Robertson, but it’s worth remembering that he’s not exactly a moderate.
Last night, on Fox News, Sean Hannity insisted that United States needs to “take out” Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Warren said he agreed. Hannity asked, “Am I advocating something dark, evil or something righteous?” Warren responded, “Well, actually, the Bible says that evil cannot be negotiated with. It has to just be stopped…. In fact, that is the legitimate role of government. The Bible says that God puts government on earth to punish evildoers. Not good-doers. Evildoers.”
Matt Duss explained why Warren’s comments are problematic on a variety of levels.
Does Warren really consider it part of his ministry to sanctify the inch-deep theologizing-cum-warmongering of thugs like Sean Hannity? If so, who else does Warren think Jesus would bomb?
I contacted Pastor Warren’s office for clarification, specifically to find out where, exactly, the Bible says that “God puts government on earth to punish evildoers” like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. They said they’d get back to me. I’ll update if and when they do. I suspect Warren was referring to Romans 13, in which the Apostle Paul admonished Christians to submit to governing authorities (Hear that Hannity? Submit!), and also addressed the power of civil government to punish criminals. This has nothing to do, as far as I know, with invading foreign countries and killing their leaders, which is the context in which Warren is speaking.
In any case, if this were a conversation between an Iranian TV host and an ayatollah in which they discussed scriptural justifications for “taking out” high ranking members of the U.S. government, you’d probably see Sean Hannity running the clip on his show — while slowly shaking his head in pious disapproval — as evidence of what crazy extremists those Iranians are. As it is, they’ll probably be running this on Iranian TV as evidence of what crazy extremists those Americans are.
Later, Warren’s office called Duss back to say the pastor was, in fact, referring to Romans 13. When Duss noted the chapter and verse make no reference to killing foreign leaders, Warren’s representative said she’d have to look into it.
Something to keep in mind the next time Warren presents himself as the leader of a new breed of reasonable evangelical leaders.
As nauseating as I find Warren’s mis-representation of Jesus, I can only imagine how Jesus Himself feels about it.
You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. (Matthew 5:38-45)